The New Normal: Love (and Masks?) In A Time of Corona with Dennis Schoneveld favorite_border

Conversations from the Heart - August 7th 2020

Author: Rachel Brathen

Topics: Exciting Guests, Love, Family

Links: Apple Podcasts / Spotify

About the Episode

Are you feeling like you are perpetually living in a state of not knowing? You are not alone!

As the world struggles through this pandemic, nothing is certain, and no one really has any answers. The best we can do is take good care of ourselves, hold each other up, and listen to Rachel and Dennis try to work through it on the Yoga Girl podcast.

This week’s episode features Rachel’s husband, the man that holds her up, Yoga Girl’s very own producer, tech guy, camera man, the hilarious, distinguished gentleman behind the magic, Dennis Schoneveld!

As Aruba faces a new coronavirus outbreak after opening its borders to the US, Rachel and Dennis contemplate - is this the new normal? Are we all getting used to not knowing what will happen? Are we getting comfortable living in this new normal of not knowing if businesses will be allowed to operate, if schools will open, if daycares and restaurants are safe? Are we supposed to wear masks every day? How long will this last? The new normal is unknown, and everything can change so quickly.

Now, Dennis and Rachel contemplate another lockdown, how they made it through the first one, what will happen in the future, parenting, their businesses and more, all through the lens of the new “normal” and the unknown.

This episode would not be complete without answering some of your questions from IG! Will they have another kid, how did they made it through quarantine, will they run off to Costa Rica and create a surfing commune, will it get better or worse in the future? Tune in to find out!

Key Takeaways

  • If you are going into lockdown or you are in lockdown, try to move your body. That makes a world of difference for your mental health.
  • Stop asking questions about people’s bodies! Asking people if they are going to have another baby might be triggering to some.
  • If you are struggling with your partner in lockdown, can you be grateful for having the companionship, someone to hold your hand through the process, and be together with during these strange times?
  • Take care of yourself before you take care of others. Its ok to be selfish, it’s an important component of self-care to put yourself first, and its non-negotiable in these times.
  • Give yourself permission to vent. Find a safe space with a partner and just let yourself communicate, vent, and get it out.

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[0:03] Rachel: Welcome to a brand new episode of the Yoga Girl podcast, Conversations From the Heart. The man I have as a guest on the show today needs no formal introduction; my husband, man of my dreams, best friend and quarantine partner-in-no-crime-whatsoever, Dennis Schoneveld!

Dennis: Hey ho!

Rachel: [Laughing] Hey! Were you just calling me a hoe?

Dennis: No, “hey-ho!”

[Both laughing]

Rachel: That’s no way to start off a podcast episode [laughing].

Dennis: I’m not calling you a hoe, it’s just a saying. Or “hey yo!”

Rachel: [Laughing]

Dennis: I don’t know what the young people are saying these days.

Rachel: [Laughing] I don’t think they’re saying “hey ho.”

Dennis: Before we get too deep into this, when you say I’m the man of your dreams, did you have a nightmare, or was it more of a, a positive thing?

Rachel: I had a weird dream again. I’ve been having a lot of pregnancy dreams lately, a lot of them involving Olivia.

Dennis: Am I included in these dreams?

Rachel: Yeah, it’s like I had [laughs] I had two dreams that I was pregnant, but you, you were kind of in the periphery. It was more about Olivia being at the center of everything, so I think it’s…I’m dreaming about Olivia’s pregnancy.

Dennis: Oh, not your pregnancy.

Rachel: Well I mean I’m dreaming about mine, but I think it means Olivia’s pregnancy.

Dennis: So you’re pregnant…

Rachel: In the dream.

Dennis: …in Olivia’s body?

Rachel: I’m pregnant in the dream, but it’s mostly to tell Olivia things about birth. It’s weird…

Dennis: Oh.

Rachel: Yeah.

Dennis: So you want to control her pregnancy?

Rachel: Yeah, I don’t know what’s going on.

[both laughing]

[1:29] Rachel: I really don’t know what’s going on. She’s super pregnant though, so I’m thinking about her a lot. We are not super pregnant.

Dennis: We are not.

Rachel: How do you feel about that?

Dennis: I don’t know. Mixed feelings.

Rachel: Hmm?

Dennis: I’m very happy at the stage of life we are now with a three year old. She can communicate very well, she’s easier going. We can leave her with people.

[Both laugh]

Rachel: We can also leave her alone, I feel like we do that all the time.

Dennis: Well, alone home, at home with us, but, yeah. But at the same time I would love to have a little boy to do sports with. I…

Rachel: You choose the podcast to have this conversation with me? What?

Dennis: I…I…

[both laughing]

Rachel: Did you have a dream? Is this it?

Dennis: No, I dreamt about corona, actually.

Rachel: Really?

Dennis: Because of the whole…for people that doesn’t know out there, shit hit the fan in Aruba for the last two days, but we can get into that later in the, in the talk, I guess.

Rachel: And your dream was about corona, not relating to having a little boy to teach sports. First of all can we…

Dennis: No, you…

Rachel: …can we back up a little bit:

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: Wanting to have a boy so you can teach him sports, that sounds very, very sexist.

Dennis: It is.

[both laughing]

Dennis: I’m sorry.

Rachel: What the fuck?

Dennis: It is but…

Rachel: Why wouldn’t you be able to teach Lea Luna sports?

Dennis: I tried man, I’m giving up on her [laughs]

Rachel: You can’t give up on her, she’s three years old! People are going to be…

Dennis: What’s the return policy on her?

[2:51] Rachel: [Laughing] There’s no return policy on her. Oh, my God. Someone sent…

Dennis: [Laughing]

Rachel: …me via Instagram yesterday like a, like a screenshot from a, from an archive, old story of mine, saying, “this was the funniest thing I saw all of last year,” and I was like, and I opened it and it’s a [laughing] a photo of us traveling somewhere, she’s sitting in the window seat and you’re in the middle, and then the caption that I put in the story was “this is the moment the stewardess came to tell everyone to put their seatbelts on, and Dennis said, ‘yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, she has to go under the seat,” and proceeded to try and put her [laughing] under the seat.” Cuz that’s the kind of dad you are.

Dennis: [Laughing]

Rachel: And it’s really funny, but I don’t think this conversation about sports and girls is, is funny at all.

Dennis: I agree. It’s just about the personality, and right now, Lea doesn’t want to learn how to bike, she’s a little afraid of waves. She’s also three years old, so…

Rachel: She’s also three years old.

Dennis: …I have to wait a little longer, I guess.

Rachel: [Laughing] She’s not…

Dennis: But I don’t no…

Rachel: But she doesn’t have a water, I mean dude, she’s like super athletic in terms of water.

Dennis: Yeah, but she’s afraid of waves. I think she inherited that of you.

Rachel: I think you haven’t spent enough time in the ocean surfing with her.

Dennis: Maybe.

Rachel: It could be something about when she was like, a year and a half, and you pushed her into a long, long wave and let her go, do you remember that?

Dennis: But she stood up.

Rachel: Yeah [laughing] but do you hear…

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: You like, traumatized her on the surfboard.

Dennis: But going back in the gender-specific thing, I always wanted a boy and a girl, if you go back to that.

Rachel: Yeah, because people ask…it’s the number one question we get for anything. So we had some big new this week — was it this week, last week? We released our new food company.

Dennis: We announced.

[4:21] Rachel: Announced. We have a new food brand that is called Fämily Foods. Fämily with a Swedish ä, which makes me really happy. And if you look at the logo of Fämily Foods, there’s a little moon hiding in the d, which I love. And we’re going to be producing some really fricken amazing plant-based, gluten-free, super healthy, no additives, no fillers, no coloring, which is really hard to find, easy-to-make foods.

Dennis: Good in protein.

Rachel: And high in protein. We’re very, very excited about that. But when I shared for the announcement of the, of the brand, like the brand name, “we have some big news coming at noon,” you know, “stay tuned,” a hundred, I mean, so many people wrote, “oh, my God, it’s baby number two, it’s baby number two!”

Dennis: Including my mom.

Rachel: Yeah, [laughing] including your mom. Just because the day before or something I had said “hey, when is Oma coming over to, to play? Like we haven’t seen her in awhile.” And then I announced that we have some news, and then Dennis’s mom called Dennis, panicking that we were pregnant and she was going to find out via [laughing] social media.

Dennis: [Laughing]

Rachel: But no, we had to kind of do the disclaimer, like, “not, not pregnant.” I don’t know how I, like how I feel about it now, because I felt like there was so much pressure that if you want to have a second kid, you have to do it immediately, and for us, that just wasn’t a possibility. I think if we would have had another kid, we would be like getting divorced or something, like we were not in a good place.

Dennis: That would be very hard.

Rachel: I was in a bad place personally, I mean, it, it wasn’t meant to be, time-wise, I think.

Dennis: I guess not.

Rachel: No. And then, you know, we have friends who have five, six year olds who are considering having kids now, but I feel like in society, the general consensus is, is you have to have them like, close together or no-go. But that’s not the case. Doesn’t have to be “no-go,” it can be “some-go.”

[6:04] Dennis: I just don’t want to wait…

Rachel: Like little baby.

Dennis: …18, 19 years again. Like I want to have…

Rachel: For your freedom [laughing].

Dennis: I need to have my freedom, I need them to get out of the house and I need to put on my backpack and go hike on Kilimanjaro or something, I don’t know.

Rachel: Okay wait, there’s a lot of stuff in there I feel like I have to…

[both laughing]

Rachel: I have to dissect. You want to go backpack Kilimanjaro? What?

Dennis: I don’t. I want to have that option to.

Rachel: You want to have the option to. You have the option; we’re not coming with you, but you can, you can go any time.

Dennis: Oh hell no.

Rachel: You don’t want to. You couldn’t. You cannot climb a mountain, come on.

Dennis: Anyway, I guess my fear is I have a younger, my closest sibling to me in age is nine years, or ten years younger than me, nine and a half, and then the closest sibling after that is another ten years. So I really don’t wanna…my mom, my mom is, she’s a young grandma, but she also has a 13 year old, so she doesn’t have the opportunity to be the grandma that she would’ve have been if she had older kids.

Rachel: He’s 14 by the way.

Dennis: Oh, 14?

Rachel: Mm-hmm. [Laughing]

Dennis: Okay. He’s 14. Anyway, just like your dad, you want your dad to be a grandad so bad, but he, he has three, three kids of his own, and two of them, one of them is younger.

Rachel: The man has seven children, and one is like 10 months old.

Dennis: Yeah, but I mean three, three toddlers now.

Rachel: Yeah. A baby. Yeah.

Dennis: So you, you don’t have the, that grandad…

Rachel: Yeah but that doesn’t really…

Dennis: …relationship.

Rachel: …that doesn’t really impact our, us having a second…that’s not really related to us having a second kid or not.

[7:35] Dennis: I don’t, what, what I was getting to, I don’t want the age difference to be that big.

Rachel: Yeah, but I think it depends on how you live. Like I have nine years between me and Katia, ten years between me and Hetta, 12 years between me and my, me and Emelie. And we were super close because we grew up in the same house, under the same roof. I think for you, you’re not as close with your siblings because some of them live in Holland, and then you basically moved out of your house when you were like, nine years old.

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: [Laughing] So…

Dennis: I, yeah.

Rachel: So that’s probably why, I mean. And if we would have, say we would get pregnant when she was four, so that’s in a year.

Dennis: And then she would be five.

Rachel: She would be almost five…

Dennis: Nah.

Rachel: …which means she wakes up, she makes all her own breakfast, she does her own taxes, she’s like total…she’s like a self-cleaning oven by then, she just like…. [laughing].

Dennis: That’s what you’re hoping.

Rachel: [Laughing] But I think that probably having space between kids, like there’s some relief in that, you know?

Dennis: Yeah. And in the beginning too I, like I feel like now we work a lot more together, like especially with filming. And we always worked together, but now there’s like times when we both need to be like, all hands on deck, especially in difficult times when we don’t have these employees anymore.

Rachel: Mm-hmm.

Dennis: And I can’t see us without like, full-on help, I can’t see us like living how we’re living right now, or like working like we’re working right now with another baby.

[8:58] Rachel: No, but I think the difference is now is one: we’re not doing all these retreats and trainings, which was crazy, I would never do first year with a newborn like that ever again. So I mean if I were to get pregnant, or when, if that happens, I would take the entire first year completely off. Like I need to know that I’m not, you know. So you’ll have to be the breadwinner and keep the ship kind of floating.

Dennis: I’ll get, I can buy bread.

Rachel: You can buy the bread. You can win the bread. Where does that term come from? It’s a weird one.

Dennis: Sounds like L.A., California.

Rachel: No, it’s an old…

[both laughing]

Rachel: They don’t eat bread in California, they don’t…they’re all fucking like…what’s the word, keto? What, who is it that doesn’t eat bread? Gluten-free people [laughing]. Man, okay, but yeah. So let’s, let’s see about that. I think doing it this time around, just in terms of the pace of our lives, the terms of…like our lives are totally different. I think I would have a calmer pregnancy, I think I would be able to be more excited, and grounded, and chill about being just a stay-at-home, just a stay-at-home mom; that’s like the goal that I would have loved to have been able to do with Lunys.

Dennis: I would love to see that, I, I can bet a lot of money that you, it’s going to be very hard for you.

Rachel: Look! Someone asked a questions for, questions for the podcast.

Dennis: You can’t, you can’t sit still.

Rachel: I’m sitting still right now.

Dennis: [Laughing] You’re working, that’s why.

Rachel: [Laughing] This is me sitting still, drinking coffee, what do you mean? No, someone asked like a question for you, like, “have you seen changes in Rachel in the past year, or like throughout this year?”

[10:32] Dennis: You are definitely more calm. You are definitely…easier-going. Less maintenance.

[both laugh]

Dennis: You’re very high-maintenance.

[both laugh]

Rachel: And now I’m not, now I’m what, like medium-maintenance?

Dennis: You’re, now you’re like medium-high.

Rachel: Mmm. Medium-high, okay.

Dennis: But yeah, it’s… you’re definitely, you, it feels, it feels like you feel better.

[both laugh]

Rachel: It feels…I do feel better. I do feel better. I feel like everything is, I feel like a different person, I feel like we have different lives; I mean obviously, everyone has different lives at the end of coronavirus, but I don’t know, I think, I think a lot of things have changed for the good, and the thought, the thought of having another kid right now would, I think would not be so terrible and daunting. But then I think about, you know, like going back to not sleeping. Going back to having to push a ten pound child out of my vagina, that was not so much…I mean it was okay, it just wasn’t so much fun first time around.

Dennis: But second time around is easier, right?

Rachel: I don’t know, it’s like, they say sometimes it is…

Dennis: Just “pop”.

Rachel: Just “pop,” just shoots outta there. Okay, let’s see, let’s see. Just for everyone, if or when we decide to get pregnant, like everyone can trust that when or if I would reach like a 13, 14 week mark, or maybe right away, if we feel that like that…

Dennis: Or 6 months.

Rachel: …we would share it with the world. Right. So everyone can stop asking.

[both laughing]

[11:58] Rachel: Okay? Everyone can stop asking. And there is something important to that conversation too as well I think: being in the age and everybody asking you constantly when you’re pregnant, if you’re pregnant, you know, another baby. Not everybody can have another baby, not everybody can have a baby in the first place, not everybody wants a baby. And what if you and I were trying for the past like two years, like incessantly, to get pregnant but couldn’t? Maybe we were doing IVF, or like struggling with fertility, then it would be super triggering to have to…

Dennis: I feel you would have told people.

Rachel: Yeah. I would have, because…

Dennis: If…

Rachel: …I’m that kind of person.

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: But a lot of people I think who struggle in that sense don’t tell the world, and I think hearing that question all the time can be super triggering. So stop asking questions about people’s bodies, I think, overall.

[12:40 — Commercial Break]

[14:01] Dennis: I haven’t…

Rachel: Check.

Dennis: …didn’t get any questions, but okay.

Rachel: You don’t get any questions about your body? [Laughs]

Dennis: Well yeah, but not about pregnancy.

Rachel: Let’s talk about your big controversial Instagram post from the other day. You had your biggest Instagram drama of your life, which I thought was so…[laughing]

Dennis: I didn’t even care about it, I, you were more [laughs] in it than I was…

Rachel: You didn’t even know!

Dennis: I didn’t even read the comments.

Rachel: He went from like, “oh, there’s like 15 comments,” on this post that he did, and then the next morning I checked, I’m like, “dude, you have 700 comments on here, you have to go and like look at what [laughing] people are writing.” So tell us, tell us what happened.

Dennis: I went to pick up a package at FedEx…

Rachel: [Laughing]

Dennis: And to get into FedEx, I need to wear a mask, or people to get in…

Rachel: I thought you were at Bula?

Dennis: No, we, like I went to Bula afterwards, but that picture was taken in FedEx. So, yeah, we went in, we needed a mask to get in, we had masks, like our friend, our friends from Tangerine gave us masks for…

Rachel: Lea’s godfather who makes…

Dennis: …handmade…

Rachel: …what’s his word?

Dennis: Sewer?

Rachel: Sewer?! [Laughing]

Dennis: He working in sewage. He sews bag. He makes bags.

Rachel: I mean you would say seamstress, but that seems again like a sexist, like, kind of, or like gender-based word. What’s the word for someone who sews? Like a man who…

Dennis: Seamster.

Rachel: “He works…he’s a sewer, he works in sewage.”

[both laughing]

Rachel: Okay…

Dennis: Anyways.

Rachel: …moving on. He makes masks and, and…

[15:26] Dennis: He makes bags, and he started to make masks, because of corona, and then he gave us three when Lea, for Lea’s birthday, because they were high in demand, we were like, “okay,” we didn’t think much of it.

Rachel: We never wore a mask…

Dennis: Before that.

Rachel: …let’s start that. Before this…

Dennis: No.

Rachel: …no.

Dennis: But then we needed to get in, and I happened to have them in my car, and yeah, we put it on, she put it on, she was stoked, she was super happy and she was like, “look at me, look at me.” So I took a picture of her, and that was it.

Rachel: And she kept saying she was a doctor.

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: Our doctor.

Dennis: And that was it. Like I didn’t think much of it, and then then the shit, I guess I used the word “new…”

Rachel: It was your caption, I think, triggered.

Dennis: “New normal,” yeah.

[16:05] Rachel: So he posted a picture of her looking up at the camera, like smiling beneath her mask. There’s no mandate — well, everything changed yesterday. So prior to that in Aruba, there’s been no even talk about masks, we don’t see any locals wearing masks, no mandate, no conversations about it, at all. I feel like in the States, the mask conversation is so unbelievably huge…

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: …but the rest of the world, everyone is a little calmer about it. And Aruba hasn’t had any cases, we’ve been like a safe-haven, everything….we’ve had zero cases for like two months, and then they opened the borders and we started having some tourists that came in with cases, but they kept saying that they’re tested upon entry, and that if anyone has it, that they are pulled straight into quarantine so to not worry.

Dennis: We can get to that in a little bit.

Rachel: Yeah. But then you posted that photo…

Dennis: I posted because…

Rachel: …with the caption…

Dennis: “The new normal.”

Rachel: Yeah.

Dennis: Because that’s the word I keep hearing everywhere. You keep hearing “the new normal.” Like you’re on the radio, “the new normal,” you’re there, “the new normal,” that’s what I guess…

Rachel: But it wasn’t like you think this is the new normal, like she’s going to have to wear a mask everywhere she goes for the rest of her life?

Dennis: For me, no. But for me, the new normal means the unknown. We don’t know what’s, what the fuck is happening, and then, at that time, we had zero cases, like there wasn’t anything, we just needed to get into get my package from FedEx.

[both laughing]

Rachel: From FedEx.

Dennis: That was it.

Rachel: And you were like, “oh, that’s a cute little post for me to share.”

Dennis: It was a literal, like a 30 second post: took the picture, fast, like, “the new normal,” in my pocket, and we went on…

Rachel: And then you didn’t look at it again…

[17:30] Dennis: No.

Rachel: …because you’re not…

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: …that kind of guy.

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: [Laughs]

Dennis: So, I guess people didn’t like it.

Rachel: People got really upset because well obviously, the mask controvers….I feel like there’s two types of people right now: there’s people who, there’s people who, who only talk about 5G, flat Earth, pedophilia, sex trafficking, like that’s like a group of people. Vaccinations…

Dennis: There’s separate groups of people I would say.

Rachel: Yeah. And they’re, they’re kind of the anti-maskers, like “don’t make me do things with my body that I don’t want to do.” Actually, I don’t know, there’s like anti-maskers on all sides. There’s a lot of pro-Trump…

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: …non-conspiracy people who just don’t, yeah…. Let’s not get into the labels of things…

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: …but there’s…

Dennis: I would say a lot of people would have their points, and they’re like, legitimate points — except for the flat Earthers, I’m sorry, but…

Rachel: [Laughing] Did you read the meme, like somebody posted in the Flat Earth Facebook groups, “has anyone fallen off the edge yet?”

[both laughing]

Rachel: Or something like that, “because everyone is so on edge.” [Laughing]

Dennis: But anyway, it’s…

Rachel: I have not even looked into the Flat Earth thing, I have not watched any…like it’s a real thing that people, like it’s a real thing, that people believe the Earth is flat. I have not…I, I don’t know why.

Dennis: We don’t have to get into this. Like if…

Rachel: But I’m, I’m interested in all this.

Dennis: …if only we had people in space, taking pictures of the, you know, of Earth, to show that it’s round [laughs].

[18:50] Rachel: Yeah, but I’m also, I’m also really open to the idea that like, I don’t trust the government. Like a hundred percent, like I don’t trust, I don’t trust the government as a, as a construct. I don’t think that, you know, we can trust in all the politicians and everything they tell us, absolutely not. Especially in terms of like, when it comes to health, and when it comes to all the shit they put in our food, when it comes to animal agriculture and ani…factory farming and all this shit, we know how much corruption is involved in terms of money, and Big Pharma, and all this stuff. Like I don’t trust everything the government tells me. And I think it’s healthy to have like, you know, some sort of discernment for yourself, right? Does this…like we can choose, like, “hey, do we want to feed our kids animal products? Do we wanna,” like, “does it feel good that our water is filled with all of these sorts of chemicals? Should we,” you know.

Dennis: I, I feel like that’s…

Rachel: Even though everyone tells us, “it’s fine, it’s fine. It’s healthy. Drink your milk, it’s full of calcium,” and then we all know like, cow’s milk is shit, right? So there’s one point to that, I think, where it’s okay…

Dennis: That’s not…

Rachel: …we shouldn’t all be sheep.

Dennis: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, that’s what I’m saying, that’s a lot of categories into one statement. But yeah, I, in certain ways I don’t trust the government either, in certain ways I really trust the government as well.

Rachel: You can, you can do both…

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: …but I think practicing some sort of discernment for yourself is important. But then there are things like, and I really do agree that, you know, people say “it hasn’t been proven that the masks work,” but okay, there is a risk, like, the slightest risk that putting on a damn mask when you go the grocery store actually can end this pandemic sooner, then put on a fucking mask.

Dennis: Yeah.

[20:20] Rachel: Like it’s not like a big deal. It’s not the end of the world, don’t have to act like this is like the worst thing ever. But then at the same time, like yesterday we got a, we got a, an email from Lea’s new school, she’s starting a Montessori school on Monday. We’ve…

Dennis: We hope.

Rachel: …been excited about that. We hope. We’ve been excited about this for months, I mean literally she’s freaking out with excitement to go to Montessori. Her teacher has sent her a handwritten letter though the post office…

Dennis: Aruban…

Rachel: …like through the mail service…

Dennis: …Aruban post office.

Rachel: …in Aruba, which doesn’t work, at all, that she’s so excited to see her, we’ve done visits to the school, she’s like, you know, asking us to make vegan variations of their baking because they bake and cook every day in school, she made a home visit — like it’s so wonderful, and so amazing, and super organic, and they’re in the outside and planting trees, and it’s like, so amazing. And then now we got an email yesterday saying that, that the teachers all have to wear masks now, most likely, and that we should start getting the kids used to wearing masks because there might be a scenario later in the year where the kids have to wear masks at school. And immediately my gut reaction is, “oh, she’s not going to school them.” Like, the thought, for me to, for her to have to breathe into a mask all day, all day. And she’s three years old, she doesn’t have to go to school right now, we have that luxury to choose, I guess if she was 12 it would be a different thing. That gut reaction, “no, no, no, no, that’s not okay with me at all,” and then I had to sit with that, like, “hey, but I’m like a pro-mask, everyone should be responsible, but I also don’t feel good sending my three-year-old with a mask to school for hours on end, five days a week.”

[21:47] Dennis: And this is where I go with the new normal being the unknown.

Rachel: Being like the unknown, yeah.

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: And everything is such a controversy. I mean, everything is a controversy because everyone is on edge, not just Flat Earthers.

[both laugh]

Rachel: Like, everybody. So on that post, you know, you had like 700 really angry…someone wrote like, “I cannot believe you’re abusing your child in this way, this is child abuse.” And then of course, the comment section went straight to hell from there.

[both laugh]

Rachel: But I kind of understand how like, we were also in the privileged place of like, in Aruba, this is not a big deal, and then everyone, it’s like if we had to really sit with the fact that “hey, maybe for our kid to return to school, they’re going to have to sit in a fricken plastic box, you know, for a year.”

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: Like that’s, I get that that’s painful to think about, and a huge controversy and, you know, so…

Dennis: Or they have to be schooled through a, like a Zoom conferencing thing, and that no one can…

Rachel: Yeah, and then people…

Dennis: …can go to work and…

Rachel: …like homeschool your kids, and like, I don’t…I don’t know where this is going to go.

[22:42 — Commercial Break]

[24:00] Rachel: Let’s talk a little bit about like what the situation here, now, because things are not good anymore.

Dennis: So, yeah…

Rachel: Things are bad.

Dennis: Aruba had, or to come to Aruba, the borders has been open for two or three weeks now….

Rachel: Two weeks.

Dennis: So to come to Aruba, you need a negative test to show that when you come up on arrival to let the…

Rachel: Seventy-two hours…

Dennis: No, you come….

Rachel: …minimum prior.

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: Yeah.

Dennis: That you make your test at home, or they do it at the airport for you and you get the, same night you get the results back.

Rachel: But I think at that airport, they only do it if you have symptoms or if you ask, like…

Dennis: Yeah, you, you…

Rachel: …you feel like you are not…

Dennis: …you pay for it, you ask…

Rachel: Yeah.

Dennis: …for it, yeah, unless…

Rachel: Yeah, so not everyone, people can just…

Dennis: No, but if you don’t have a negative test result, like if you don’t…

Rachel: Yeah.

Dennis: …have the test result, you can’t get in.

Rachel: But they can take the test three days before, and then hang out with a bunch of people…

Dennis: And maybe get it.

Rachel: …go to a party…

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: …and then maybe get it at the airport, maybe get it on the plane, and then…

Dennis: So yeah, we had…

Rachel: …come to the island.

Dennis: …like nine cases of tourists, and then I guess they went back.

Rachel: Two pilots, yeah.

Dennis: Yeah. And then, and then it was four for the longest time, I guess they’re in self-isolation here in some AirBnb, but and then all of a sudden, like, I don’t know if we had a false negative, or one of them leaked, or someone came from abroad, but a local at a nightclub had it, and they’re calling him the Patient Zero, we’re not…

Rachel: That’s so messed up. There’s no local that’s Patient Zero because Aruba was, had no cases.

Denis: Yeah, but anyway…

Rachel: We know it’s a fucking tourist, so the story is that there’s two people…

Dennis: It could be, it could a local from abroad, that got it from abroad and brought it back as well. We don’t have to like…

Rachel: I don’t think so, we know, we know…I mean we know it’s not a local, like this is the thing, this is why it’s such a big conversation now, because they shouldn’t have opened the border to the U.S. If they hadn’t done that, we wouldn’t be here now.

Dennis: That’s where I highly disagree.

[25:43] Rachel: Oh, my God. Well, and I get that that had to happen and whatnot, but the story is that there was two tourists who took a test at the airport, and that they were told “you have to wait 24 hours, self-isolate until you get the results.” And they didn’t, and instead they went straight into the center of the nightlife in Aruba, which is, you know, we haven’t had any cases for two months, so we, the nightclubs are open, bars are open, there’s social distancing-ish rules, but you know…

Dennis: Not in the bars.

Rachel: …not, not in the bars and stuff like that, people have been…

Dennis: They were all…

Rachel: …dancing, partying. If you’re sitting in a restaurant, they have more space between tables, and I think staff has to like, you know. There’s no mask mandate, they have to use hand sanitizer, it’s like not even a lot. And they didn’t do the self-isolation, went partying and infected one person who’s a local at the nightclub, or more, like it’s impossible to say.

Dennis: And then it just went all over.

Rachel: Obviously because it was a nightclub worker, like a bartender where everyone has been congregating, and partying, and in central…

Dennis: You don’t get the symptoms, you don’t know, so you’re just going about your day as normal, and then…

Rachel: And we have now a few friends who have it, or people, a lot of people we know who have it.

Dennis: A lot of people that did a test and didn’t get the results yet.

Rachel: Yeah.

Dennis: So it just went from like…

Rachel: No cases to…

Dennis: …no cases…

Rachel: …to a hundred in a day [laughs].

Dennis: Yeah, it went to five, and then it went to 50 yesterday, and I think today we’re going to end up like at a hundred, 150, because all the results, like they’re doing like, a wide testing now for that hotspot in the tourist center.

[27:11] Rachel: And they said “anyone who was in Palm Beach area of Aruba,” which is our center for entertainment, for restaurants, for everything, “between July 28th and August 3rd, go get tested.”

Dennis: July 17th.

Rachel: Seventeenth? Fuck you, no. [Pause] That’s thousands of people!

Dennis: Yeah?

Rachel: What do you mean?

Dennis: That’s why no one can get tested now, they’re only testing the workers. Like all, everyone is completely busy. Anyway. Going back to where I disagree with you about not…

Rachel: The borders?

Dennis: …opening the borders, like 90 precent of Aruba GDP is upon tourism. That means that if the borders are not open, there is no way of us making money, and that will come into like a massive catastrophic, like people will start stealing and stuff. Right now there has not been any issues, it’s because we’ve been getting money from the Netherlands for everyone to get their salary paid through the government.

Rachel: Part of their salary, yeah.

Dennis: Like 60% of your salary, unless…

Rachel: Not everybody. Like you have to apply, go through a rigorous process, we have a lot of friends who didn’t get any support.

Dennis: Majority of people who had a job, a normal job, would get this. We don’t get this support because we’re business owners…

Rachel: We don’t need the support, yeah.

Dennis: …we don’t need the support either right now. But it’s, it’s like majority of people — and this is why there is no issues, literally on the island, even though there is tension. But as soon as like …

Rachel: We haven’t had any like looting, or…

Dennis: No, I…

Rachel: …rise in crime, everything’s been calm, yeah.

Dennis: Yeah. And we might have two more months of the support, but after this two months, these two months, then, you know, then I will get really scared.

Rachel: But I don’t understand why…like we have a lot of tourists coming from a lot of other places, why…because the U.S. was getting…if they, they could have kept the borders open March, April, May, the U.S. wasn’t so bad then…

Dennis: [Laughs]

Rachel: …and now it’s like “worse, worse, worse, worse, worse,” the worst time to open, open to the U.S. They have like 10,000 new cases a day in Florida. And we are like, two hours from Florida, from New York, from the East coast, everyone is coming here now, and it’s like Aruba is the easiest choice. Like, “ah, finally, I can travel a little bit,” and then you know, of course people are interested…

[29:07] Dennis: In March, when no one knew what was happening…

Rachel: No, I know, but…

Dennis: …it was just Doomsday.

Rachel: …it felt like a bad, bad time…

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: …to like…

Dennis: …and now…

Rachel: …they could’ve focussed on Canada, focussed on South America…

Dennis: It’s…

Rachel: …focussed on Europe…

Dennis: …easier said than done.

Rachel: Yeah, I know, but I still…

Dennis: It’s easier said than…

Rachel: think that, I still think this is…

Dennis: I think this is what they whole world is struggling with…

Rachel: Of course, yeah.

Dennis: …and this is why there’s a lot of places open, because they know they can’t, the government can’t afford to pay these people and then…

Rachel: Yeah, but it’s also like show — and it’s kind of like the theme for the whole year is that all the problems, and issues, and wounds, and, you know, bad things that have been festering under the surface, everything is coming up. Like all the things that haven’t been working, everything’s surfacing and falling apart in front of our eyes. And I think the whole system of Aruba, the fact that Aruba isn’t a self-sustaining island, that Aruba caters majority to people who come here visiting temporarily and then some sort of exploits the island, and then leaves, Aruba could have a totally different economy that focusses more on the local community, right? Where it’s like lifting the locals up, and having an economy that thrives around the local population. And now it’s just evident that it’s not, that’s not the case.

Dennis: Right, such a small community, it’s it’s very…

Rachel: Yeah, it would be so easy to change.

Dennis: It’s not [laughs].

Rachel: Yeah, I think so, because it’s so small, I think it would be so easy…we already saw so much change over the past couple of months in terms of how locals are spending their money, how they’re interacting, like at the studio, we have never in our lives been so busy with locals.

Dennis: Yeah.

[30:28] Rachel: All of a sudden we have this like, huge, like beautiful — when we were able to open the doors again — community of dedicated locals who are there every day, who are making friends who never knew each other before, who show up for every class, like diehard people, and that wasn’t the case when we were full of tourists, because people…

Dennis: No, I know…

Rachel: …felt like they didn’t belong in the same way.

Dennis: That’s…I agree with you that completely, it’s beautiful…

Rachel: And that’s everywhere.

Dennis: It’s everywhere. But this also have to do that these are all money being spent that is being loaned from the Netherlands.

Rachel: No, yeah, no, that’s fucked up.

Dennis: If you don’t have the money to put into the economy, we won’t have those locals coming in and spending their money. So this is like a, it’s a vicious…

Rachel: It’s a bad cycle, yeah.

Dennis: Yeah. But anyway, we don’t have to go into the discussion because everyone that’s like…

Rachel: No, we are where we are, we can’t change it. But so now, the thing that happened was that we, for me personally, I felt safe. And I was trying to kind of dissect all my fears, like “what is it, am I scared that we’re all going to get corona and die? Like no, that’s not, that’s not…” it’s just this feeling of things were getting every day a little more normal, or feeling more stable; studio’s doing better, the thought of like maybe our [laughing] like we have two employees left in Aruba…

Dennis: [Laughs]

Rachel: …we’ve lost everybody, maybe…

Dennis: Three.

Rachel: What do you mean three? Oh, three, okay, with the café. But we’ve had to close the café again, and then you know, we have our employees on part, like a lower salary, “maybe we can bring their salary back up to normal,” like we had that conversation two days ago, “how can we get their salary back to 100%, like let’s fight to make this happen.” And then now…

Dennis: Shit…

Rachel: …it looks like we’re going to have to close the studio, and we don’t know if anyone’s going to be able to keep their jobs, like what the fuck? So that feeling’s, like that fear of like, “we’re starting this whole thing over again.” And then of course knowing that, you know, we have friends now who tested positive, and like, a really close friend of ours tested positive, who like…

[32:09] Dennis: Don’t even have any symptoms.

Rachel: No symptoms. We saw him…we had to go back yesterday like, “wait, did we see him in the past two weeks? When was that?” And no, it was like a month ago we saw him, so that…we haven’t seen anyone that we know has corona, but then we’re one degree of separation away from everybody. So now we find out that someone who tested positive has been spending every daytime with someone who’s a parent of the kids that goes to school with Lea. It’s like wherever we look, there’s someone who…

Dennis: We don’t know that.

Rachel: No, but wherever we look, there’s the potential of…yeah.

Dennis: The island is very small, and everybody…

Rachel: It’s everywhere.

Dennis: …knows each other.

Rachel: For sure.

Dennis: Everybody is cousins with each other…

Rachel: Right.

Dennis: …everybody is like…

Rachel: But so in a way it’s like if all of these people and everyone we’ve spoken to so far have been, has been completely asymptomatic, everyone, I, not, I don’t know anyone who’s been sick who’s even had like flu-ish symptoms, one of them had like, a little sniffle, like a little bit of a runny nose, which I have all the time, like allergies and stuff, and two of them had a complete loss of taste and smell, which to me sounds like, “okay, well we can deal with that.” So in one way it’s like, “okay, if, if a lot of us get it, let’s let herd immunity do it’s thing, and eventually we can get back to some sort of normal.” But it’s also really scary because if you’re asymptomatic and you’re spending time with immunocompromised people, or people…

Dennis: That’s where the issue is.

Rachel: …who have older parents, yeah, that’s really…

Dennis: That’s what the issue is, it’s like…

Rachel: That’s what the issue is, yeah.

Dennis: …it’s like even though the percentage is maybe 99 point something percent of people…because a lot of people that got it didn’t even get tested…

[33:35] Rachel: Right.

Dennis: …they got it and they didn’t even know, knew, know they had it. And it’s okay, but then you have like the people that are compromised and that’s what life still matters, is like their lives is like, we’ll just sacrifice them, that’s also not fair, you know?

Rachel: No.

Dennis: And that’s what, that’s what the issue is, that’s why it’s so hard, that’s why it’s….Like a big part of me thinks like, “oh, it’s like chickenpox; when we were little, all of us got chickenpox.”

Rachel: Right.

Dennis: And we dealt with it.

Rachel: We had a chickenpox party and like…

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: “Oh, someone has it? Let’s all get together, sit in the bathtub together…”

Dennis: Get it over with, yeah.

Rachel: And now everyone’s like “chickenpox is gonna kill you. Make sure you get the, make sure you get the vaccine.”

Dennis: But no, yeah, that’s the thing, no one else, I don’t see kids getting chickenpox any more, it’s not a thing like it was when we were little. So I don’t know if it’s like the vaccine or like, it got…

Rachel: Well the chickenpox conversation is a whole conversation…

Dennis: We don’t have to go into it, yeah.

Rachel: …like when the vaccine was introduced, it was…

Dennis: But anyway, we have a lot of questions, or are we still on corona?

Rachel: [Laughs] But so what do you think is going to, like where are we going? Like your mom, you spoke to your mom yesterday, your mom works at the hospital, now there’s like a panic at the hospital, there’s like a front line feeling, which we never had, even…

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: And what I want to share for people to understand, because if you’re in the States or somewhere where it’s bad, having a hundred cases in a day probably sounds like a great thing, like low, like nothing. For us, in the peak of pandemic time, we never crossed a hundred people mark.

Dennis: We were like at 100…

[34:57] Rachel: We were at like 99, 98, something like that. And that was peak of panic. So for us now to go from no cases and then in a day, we have 100, it’s like panic on this island. Like we only have, you know, it’s a very small community and everyone is sort of struggling already. But so what do you think is going to, like do you have…yeah, do you have a take on this?

Dennis: It’s…yeah, I’ve, one day I go like “let’s herd immunity, let’s just get this shit over with, let’s hope that it’s a thing that you can get once and you don’t get again, you get, you create the antibodies for it. And then at the other, the other time I’m like, you know, “fuck. Let’s try to protect the, like the, the public as much as possible.” But then it comes, like my mind spins out of control, like “okay, if we create, if we defend everyone and we flat the, we flat the…”

Rachel: Flatten the curve.

Dennis: “…flatten the curve, and then we have to go through this for a couple of years…”

Rachel: Right, is it going to be forever? That’s also the thing, like…

Dennis: But then I worry about the economy really bad.

Rachel: Yeah, because it’s really bad.

Dennis: …people are going to suffer. People are going to like, mental depression, people are going to like…

Rachel: No, there was a study released yesterday that, I can’t remember from what hospital, that said that the, the mental health issues, especially in women, are expected to last for five to ten years after the pandemic has actually ended. Because there’s so much fear, so much panic, so much insecurity and, and you know. And it’s kind of like, it’s a, it’s just a fact you can’t heal from the trauma when the trauma is ongoing, and this is something that it’s like, it doesn’t feel like a trauma anymore, because everyone is experiencing it all the time, but it is.

[36:30] Dennis: But I mean if the world is closed, or if, like if you don’t have the same outlets, if you don’t have the same services as normal…

Rachel: Right.

Dennis: …that means that people with mental health issues are not going to have the, the, the options to, to, to go through it like they have prior to pandemic because…

Rachel: Yeah, but a lot of people didn’t even have it prior to the pandemic because it’s, you know.

Dennis: …it gets worse. And then with child abuse as well, like if everything is closed and now everyone is home, like the parents are home, and the abuse is more prominent, it’s…

Rachel: Yeah, everything is worse.

Dennis: …like…

Rachel: Alcoholism is worse, like all things that people are, were struggling with before, yeah.

Dennis: And then you want to put it in balance…

Rachel: Right.

Dennis: …to see what is worse, like.

Rachel: In terms of that, I mean we got a lot of questions about that in terms of our relationship and dealing with quarantine. Like we spend so much time together as is…

Dennis: We had a great time.

Rachel: [Laughing] We did have a great time [laughs].

Dennis: Yeah, we built a garden, I built a couple fences. I have a wood shop now.

[37:24] Rachel: You have a wood shop now. Like there’s a lot of, and I was making, it was like a joke, not a…yeah, joke, I was like, “hey, take me back to…” I had a moment yesterday, I was teaching yoga in the morning, normally we have 52 people in class, so normally, I’m used, and I know I’m super blessed and privileged in this area, but I, I when you’ve only been teaching full classes for a, for a decade, going down to teaching a handful of people feels like failure, or it feels like, “man.” And also knowing the looking of like what the studio needs every day to break even, to get out of this hole, and now we, we used to have 18 people was like the new standards in the class, to have more space, and then they went to 15, now we can have like, 11. And I walk in and there, it’s so empty, the shala. And it smells like Clorox and Lysol, it used to have this natural, you know, vinegar and essential oil kind of like, lavender cleaner for the mats.

Dennis: And palo santo.

[38:15] Rachel: Palo santo and, you know, incense in there, and now you walk in and it smells like fucking Lysol. And I had this moment of like, “I don’t want to fucking be here. I don’t want this reality. I’m, you know, grateful that these 11 people are here, and you know, I know I have a role to play in helping them through their day, and it’s like a big, big, big thing that we can even have the studio open, so I’m anchored in that gratitude. But at the same time, like, permission to complain. Like permission to, to not just be grateful for the things that are good, but to also fucking lose it at times because it sucks. And I think we can’t just walk around with all the blessings, and all the gratitude, and yes, you know, at least we still have a studio, like a lot of people lost everything. Permission to complain, it’s like we have to be able to vent about the shit that is bad and hard.

[38:57] Rachel: And yesterday I had that day of like, “man,” like, “I don’t even wanna…it’s, it’s it’s, no. I can’t even, can’t even deal.” And I don’t think [sighs] I think the panic is, or the fear, the biggest fear for me is that it’s not going to be over by this year. Like I kind of thought “end of the year, things are going to look up, and then, you know, maybe sometime next year things will be a, a new normal. Maybe now…what if, you know, we can’t have, we can’t sit in circle again? What if forever now, or for the next decade or whatever, people are going to have this distance and this fear? There’s…it was already hard for people to be vulnerable with each other, it was already hard for people to be intimate, to be real, to, to, to, to do this practice in that sincere way, and now we have this, you know, what if forever we don’t, like, we’re not close any more? That for me is just a huge, no a huge fucking panic. And I don’t, I know a lot of great things happened this year from slowing down, like it’s been a huge blessing, and what I shared on Instagram, which was like a joke because I had a shitty day, like “take me back to 2019.” I don’t wanna go back to 2019, 2019 sucked, 2020 sucked too, but it’s bringing about also some good things. So I’d rather fast forward to, bring me 2021, when things are like, okay, I guess. I don’t know.

[40:16] Dennis: The new normal.

Rachel: The new normal, stop saying that, people are going to get upset.

Dennis: You don’t know.

Rachel: [Laughing]

Dennis: Nobody knows, that’s what the fucking problem is.

Rachel: That is what the fucking problem is. We’ve also contemplated, like, buying, like pooling everything we have and then buying a, like a farm somewhere in Costa Rica and creating a commune.

Dennis: We…what’s this “we” bullshit you keep talking about?

[both laughing]

Rachel: We talk about that all the time.

Dennis: We talked about buying a surf shack in Costa Rica, [laughing] not a commune.

Rachel: No, we wouldn’t buy a commune, you buy the, the land and then you create the commune. Like little permaculture farm, you know, get all your friends, people that you love...

Dennis: What I’ve been sold is that about me surfing every day…

Rachel: Right, I have another plan.

Dennis: …being close to the ocean…

Dennis: [Laughs]

Rachel: I have a different plan than that. But like, a little backup, a little backup spot for safety, I dunno know.

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: Do you think the world will end? Do you think it will get worse? Okay, that's an interesting question: you think it's going to get worse, or have we been…is this the worst?

Dennis: I don’t know man. Every time I think it’s the worst, like, I get surprised that it can get even worse. You get used to it, you get used to the…I don’t know, you get used to like, it being so bad that you’re like, “oh, this is okay.”

Rachel: “This is okay, I guess.”

Dennis: And then bam, it gets even worse.

Rachel: We haven’t personally lost anyone from corona. I hope that doesn’t happen…

Dennis: No.

Rachels: …ever. And, the studio’s still open. Do you think the studio will be open in a week?

Dennis: I don't know. This is the week that we're going to find out everything.

Rachel: Yeah.

[41:44] Dennis: It’s probably going to be open for the next two or three days, for sure. But after that, if the cases go high, I really hope we don't go into full lockdown again, because I don’t think we can handle it, and it seems very hard, already, to get like, the loan that the island got the last time, for the whole island. So I don’t, I don’t see any positives coming from a lockdown.

Rachel: Mm-mmm, I, yeah, no, I, I have no answers either.

Dennis: Do we have a bunch of questions, or no?

Rachel: Okay, so, someone was asking if we have any advice for [laughs] this is a funny question. If we have any advice for, for other couples trying to make it through quarantine, making it through lockdown.

Dennis: Yeah…

Rachel: [Laughing]

Dennis: …that’s something I can’t give. I feel…

Rachel: What's been the most helpful thing for you then? Like what’s something that you feel…

Dennis: Because even in lockdown, we are allowed to go, go for a run on the north shore, or I’m allowed to go biking on the street, or I’m allowed to go, you know, surfing.

Rachel: Mm-hmm.

Dennis: And it’s not fair if you compare it to people in the cities that gets one hour a day to go out. Like I guess in Chile, they get one or two hours designated…

Rachel: Designated, yeah.

Dennis: …to go out and walk, and do like, exercise. And they live in little apartments and stuff, so I think for everyone in different countries is like a different situation.

Rachel: Mmm.

Dennis: I think we’re the worst people to give that advice because we have been very lucky and blessed that we still, even though it’s a lockdown and everything was closed at that time, we were still able to do some kind of…

Rachel: Right, right.

Dennis: …movement for mental health.

Rachel: And that’s been a saving grace for you, right?

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: I mean so now that everything happened and I told Dennis, “okay, we’re back to isolation,” like Lea had her two last days of daycare this week, Thursday and Friday, before she starts Montessori on Monday, and then we took her out of daycare, I just, I told her, her, her teacher yesterday, “no, with all the new cases we’re going to stay home,” and her teacher cried.

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: Because I think it was…

Dennis: She wasn’t mentally prepared.

[43:37] Rachel: She wasn’t mentally prepared, and to say bye to Lunys and her last two days, maybe she had special things planned for her…there’s just a lot of like, little, sad moments like that. But, and then I told you, “okay, so we’re back to isolating,” and I think for you the idea of not going mountain biking every Wednesday, and going road-biking every Sunday, I think you would, you would not be so okay.

Dennis: No.

Rachel: [Laughs]

Dennis: I just got out of that.

Rachel: Yeah.

Dennis: I just got out of like, not doing anything for two months…

Rachel: Right.

Dennis: …and not feeling…

Rachel: Not moving your body at all…

Dennis: Not moving my body…

Rachel: Not running, not biking…

Dennis: Yeah, not feeling so good in my body, and then I finally got back to that rhythm that I’m feeling good in my body again, and then…

Rachel: [inaudible]

Dennis: …you wanna bring shit, I mean…

Rachel: No, I just need you to not like, go to the bar and drink beer after mountain biking. Just go mountain biking and then come home.

Dennis: We drink beer by the cars.

Rachel: [Laughs] No congregation!

Dennis: No, no, no, just tailgating.

Rachel: [Laughing] Tailgating. You can’t congregate, you can tailgate [laughs]. Oh, God, yeah, no, I think it’s going to be…yeah, I think for everybody, you know, everybody listening who’s in a relationship, who’s with their spouse, with their partner, first of all, I think a daily reminder of the gratitude of being able to share this experience with another person. Imagine like, there’s a lot of single parents out there who have been alone with a kid all throughout this entire time. I mean there’s lots of single people who are super happy to be…

Dennis: Who are stuck in an apartment in some city.

[44:59] Rachel: There are some people who are super happy to be single, “I’m so glad I’m not sharing that,” you know, it’s so individual for everybody, but there’s a lot of people who are super lonely.

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: We did a sharing circle yesterday with our YTT group, with our yoga teacher training graduates, and a lot of them were sharing, like, “I didn’t know how lonely I’ve been until just now, like having this opportunity to share, and be vulnerable, and cry, and feel like a part of the whole, and, and have this community feeling again, we need to do it more often.” So I think, you know, gratitude for having someone to share the experience with, someone to talk to, having someone to hold your hand all throughout, like you and I are really good at supporting each other throughout the, the hard things, and celebrating the good things, and someone to sit on the couch with and drink Old Fashioned's like you and I did [laughs]…

Dennis: Bourbon.

Rachel: …for the first two months. That was like, oh God, that was…yeah, let’s not go back to that. So that’s one important thing. And then I think, you know, having that space to yourself at the same time is really important. Like me doing dynamic meditation every day, alone. Or practicing, or whatever I’ve been doing, you having your time to bike or, or, you know. Like when you weren’t doing that, you weren’t feeling so goo.

Dennis: No.

Rachel: So we need to move our bodies in some shape or form. So, taking care of ourselves is still the best way to take care of our relationship, I think. And then that communication, like permission to vent, permission to…I think it’s, it’s good to have that rollercoaster of one person being down, and then the other person can kind of run the show a little bit, and then taking turns so there’s not just one person carrying the weight of everything.

Dennis: Yeah.

[46:29] Rachel: And I feel you and I, what we do well is we have a good balance there, you know?

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: Like you’ll have a shitty week and then I’ll step up, and then I’ll have a shitty week and you’ll step up, and then…

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: …and then the feeling when we both had a good week is kind of good.

[both laugh]

Rachel: Yeah.

Dennis: I got some questions about my glasses…

Rachel: [Laughs]

Dennis: ..and about pooping.

Rachel: [Laughing] That doesn’t, that doesn’t relate to anything. Okay, so whenever I have guests on the show, which I do sometimes, I mean I don’t always have people as distinguished and special as you, but I like to close by asking the person how we can all be of service to them. How can everybody listening, how can they be of service to you? Like do you have a need, do you have a…

Dennis: I…

Rachel: …wish for the world?

Dennis: …don’t understand that question at all.

[both laughing]

Dennis: Of being of service?

Rachel: Like how can we serve you, how can we help you? Like what do you…do you have a need that needs to be met, do you have an ask for the world that you would like then all to think about, or do, or…?

Dennis: No.

[Both laughing]

Rachel: You just answered the question, what do you mean?

Dennis: I’m not selling anything, is this where I’m supposed to plug something?

Rachel: Yes! Sometimes people…okay sometimes people, people either usually plug something, like themselves, or their website, or their product, or whatever, or they have like an ask of the world, like, you know, “take really good care of yourself,” or, “wear a mask,” or, you know? Do you have a, like how can we be of service to you?

Dennis: You do you.

Rachel: [Laughing] What the fuck does that mean?

Dennis: You do you.

Rachel: [Laughing]

[48:00] Dennis: Be selfish for a, if you’re not selfish, be selfish, I guess, is the only advice I can give.

Rachel: That is…

Dennis: [Laughs]

Rachel: …terrible advice right now. What do you mean? The whole, all the people who were hating on your mask, on your mask post are going to come back again. Because that’s what people do: they don’t want to wear a mask because they’re selfish.

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: And now you’re telling them to be selfish, what is…wait, you can…. Do you mean like, take care of yourself?

Dennis: Take care of yourself before taking care of others, I guess.

Rachel: That’s a good one. That’s a, your Aries, Aries Sun and your Leo Rising, they, they both agree with that.

Dennis: Oh yeah?

Rachel: Yeah.

Dennis: Oh.

Rachel: That’s like a… [laughing]

Dennis: Thank you for that.

Rachel: If you wan to plug something, you can tell people to go to and practice yoga with us?

Dennis: Oh, and please, yeah, I can…well, and also that.

Rachel: [Laughing]

Dennis: If you happen to go on our website, and you’re doing all the live classes, I’m sorry for all the static noise in the mic…

Rachel: [Laughing]

[49:00] Dennis: I’m really trying to figure it out, I don’t know how to figure it out.

Rachel: [Laughing] So if you don’t know, Dennis is, he’s our production manager, he’s our cameraman, he’s our editor…what other roles do you have? You have, he’s our sound guy, he’s our…

Dennis: I’m losing so much gear.

Rachel: …technician [laughing].

Dennis: There’s always something wrong, especially with the lives. It’s either the internet is fucked up, or the sound is fucked up, or…there’s always something.

Rachel: Every Monday, 10 am, we have a class and it’s just, it’s four cameras, and Dennis is operating them on his own. And the last three weeks, we’ve had some sort of technical issue every…we’ve had like, six months of amazing live content, you…

Dennis: Yeah, it used to be…

Rachel: …you were doing amazing, you were fucking…

Dennis: …used to be really easy…

Rachel: …killing it.

Dennis: …and then all of a sudden, I don’t understand why it…

Rachel: I think it’s something astrological, don’t worry, it will pass. You’re doing a great job, honestly.

Dennis: [Laughs]

Rachel: I love working with you, I love teaching classes, and you filming, and not having anybody else in the room; we’re not fighting, you get on edge every time [laughs].

Dennis: Yeah, I freak out every…

Rachel: You’re about to fall off the edge of the Earth. You’re doing fantastic, I really, really think so. So everyone, if you haven’t practiced with us, go to, we have live classes like once or twice a week, we have sharing circles to find community and to be able to open your heart and vent, and then we have regular classes, and meditations, and yoga classes as well. But every Monday, Dennis is behind the scenes creating all the magic for us, and we’re all very, very grateful for you.

Dennis: Thank you.

[Both laugh]

Rachel: Okay, well thanks for coming on the show.

Dennis: Thanks for having me.

Rachel: You wanna go eat some breakfast?

Dennis: Yeah.

Rachel: Okay. Thank you guys so much for listening. The Yoga Girl podcast will be back next week.

[50:30 — End of Episode]